An Islamic mosque. Near Ground Zero.

[Shadefrost]

www1.voanews.com/english/news/Obama-Supports-Building-Mosque-Near-Scene-Of-911-Attack-----100679464.html

If you support Obama, I'm sorry, but this is the most recent article I could find. ;p


Muslims want to build a mosque. By Ground Zero. You know, the place where thousands of people were killed by fellow muslims?! I'm not saying that they had any part in it or even approved of it, but that's just... sick. They may even go through with it, even though 60% of voters opposed it!

I swear, if the government builds it despite what we want then I won't be surprised if the building gets burned down. America is a constitutional republic; it's run by the will of the people!

As for the audio... if they seriously want to build a mosque, then they can build it somewhere else! It has NOTHING to do with freedom of religion; no one is stopping them from practicing it! Extremist muslims killed these people; you don't see us Christians or the Jews trying to build shrines near where people died because of people with distorted views of our religion!

Talk about disrespect! People DIED there, and the muslims can't even think to build their stupid mosque elsewhere? Really?!


If this goes through, there are going to be protests. And I'm certain that my family will be joining those protests.

[Wildstar]

I think it's very sad how so many Americans are prejudice against Muslims.

Yes, I understand that a GROUP of Muslims killed thousands of Americans, but do you not see the hypocrisy in all of this? Let's take for example, the Catholic church! Now, I know that you're Catholic, Shadefrost. As is Acidfang. And guess what, I am too! So let's put ourselves in the position of the Muslims, shall we? What if there was going to be a Catholic church constructed next to a playground. And then, what if it sparked an outrage? After all, in just this year alone, thousands of little boys were raped by Catholic priests over in Europe, and our pope covered it up, too! Rape may not be LETHAL, but that does not mean it is any better than murder. How would we feel if SOME Catholics committed a great sin, and we ALL had to pay for it be being denied our right to worship? Yet we as Catholics are not discriminated against nor are we not allowed to build churches next to playgrounds.

Or shall we take Christians as a whole? Well, first let me remind you that a GROUP of Muslims was responsible for what happened on 9-11-01. A GROUP. And that GROUP does not represent the thoughts and feelings of ALL Muslims. Just SOME--not even half or most! To say that what that GROUP did DOES represent all Muslims, is to say that what the KKK (Ku Klux Klan) did/does represents ALL Christians. How would you liked to be tied to that, Shadeforst? How would YOU like to be associated with murdering and torturing black people, even more harshly than how the GROUP of Muslims killed the thousands of Americans? Would you enjoy that? Would you enjoy having black people fear you? Other races disgusted with you? Is that what you want? No, that's not what you want, so why do you do this to ALL Muslims?! Why do you beleive that the Burlington Coat Factory is hollowed holy ground?!

That's right. Where they plan to build the Mosque is next to a Burlington Coat Factory (high end department store, for those of you who do not know), FOUR BLOCKS AWAY from Ground Zero. Yes, it is still close, but it is not ON Ground Zero, like so many Americans are falsely brainwashed to beleive. If Muslims are not allowed to build a place of worship next to a Burlington Coat Factory, then i also suppose they're not allowed to shop there? To walk there? Oh, perfect! We're back to the 1950's, where we segregate cities! Only instead of having "white drinking fountains" and "colored drinking fountains", we have "Muslim side of town" and "other religions side of town", and the two groups are to never intermix! Again, four blocks is close, but something tells me that the same Americans who are outrages by the construction of the Mosque there would be outraged by the construction of the Mosque ANYWHERE in lower Manhattan! And you can go right ahead and say that you disagree, but you and I both know it's true.

Not allowing them to build the mosque is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That's right; we're denying the Muslims of New York City to be able to practice the first amendment; freedom of religion. And as far as I'm concerned, breaking the Constitution is VERY unamerican and appalling. You think it's sick to allow people to practice their religion? I think it's sick to break the good American law! And for the record, most people who are against this mosque FREAK OUT if there are restrictions on guns, because not allowing certain people to bare arms is unconstitutional. ><

Anyway...contrary to what you beleive, they can't just build the mosque somewhere else. It's Manhattan. The streets are crowded and busy; the traffic jams are hard and heavy. It's the most populated city in America, and no doubt one of the most populated cities in the world! There are only two other mosques in New York City at the moment, and the Muslim population is relatively high. They can't call be crammed into two mosques; do you think that all the Catholics in NYC could fit into two churches? And they can't build it elsewhere, because there is not room just ANYWHERE in lower Manhattan, and why don they need one specifically in lower Manhattan? Well, back to it being crowded and traffic jams...the Muslim residents shouldn't have to drive hour(s) just to go to their place of worship. What if you had to drive hours just to go to church? That's a little ridiculous, and therefore, denying them their right to practive their religion.

I think that people are making far too huge a deal of this, and it's just wrong.

I know that what happened on 9-11-01 was terribly sad to say the least; it shouldn't have happened, and the people behind it will have to spend some serious time in Purgatory with Hitler and all the other devious people who've lived in this world. But we shouldn't make all Muslims suffer and pay for their evil doings.

---DISCLAIMER---
I would just like to say, I am sorry for accusing and getting so angry. I wrote this in haste--even though I meant ever word of it, as far as the message, not the accusations--and I got a little carried away. I am just a big civil rights activists, or, I consider myself one, anyway, and the rights of religion particularly get me fired up.
Ohand. There were a lot of typos, grammar fails, and poorly worded sentences that I am too lazy to fix. Sorry for the poor English skills. xD

[Riversky]

Yes, I understand that a GROUP of Muslims killed thousands of Americans, but do you not see the hypocrisy in all of this? Let's take for example, the Catholic church! Now, I know that you're Catholic, Shadefrost. As is Acidfang. And guess what, I am too! So let's put ourselves in the position of the Muslims, shall we? What if there was going to be a Catholic church constructed next to a playground. And then, what if it sparked an outrage? After all, in just this year alone, thousands of little boys were raped by Catholic priests over in Europe, and our pope covered it up, too! Rape may not be LETHAL, but that does not mean it is any better than murder. How would we feel if SOME Catholics committed a great sin, and we ALL had to pay for it be being denied our right to worship? Yet we as Catholics are not discriminated against nor are we not allowed to build churches next to playgrounds.

They are not being denied their right to worship. There are plenty of mosques in NYC- I've seen them myself. But the fact is, this mosque is beign voted against by the majority of the people voting. Should we be denied our right to say no to something like this? We can say no to one gigantic mosque without it being prejudiced against Muslims, right?

Or shall we take Christians as a whole? Well, first let me remind you that a GROUP of Muslims was responsible for what happened on 9-11-01. A GROUP. And that GROUP does not represent the thoughts and feelings of ALL Muslims. Just SOME--not even half or most! To say that what that GROUP did DOES represent all Muslims, is to say that what the KKK (Ku Klux Klan) did/does represents ALL Christians. How would you liked to be tied to that, Shadeforst? How would YOU like to be associated with murdering and torturing black people, even more harshly than how the GROUP of Muslims killed the thousands of Americans? Would you enjoy that? Would you enjoy having black people fear you? Other races disgusted with you? Is that what you want? No, that's not what you want, so why do you do this to ALL Muslims?! Why do you beleive that the Burlington Coat Factory is hollowed holy ground?!

As said before, there are plenty of other mosques in NYC. It's not prejudiced to go with the desires of the people as a whole. Not letting them build one mosque isn't unconstitutional, no matter what they claim. Again, if the people voted for it then it wouldn't matter, but they didn't. They voted AGAINST it, and if the government builds it anyway... why, I'd consider THAT to be unconstitutional. The people run this country, not the government.



As for the rest of the post, just see the above two replies, lol. XD Too tired to keep typing the same thing.~ ^.^

[perceus500]

Secondary Hypocracy in Muslim Killing: Islam is supposed to be a peacful religion. Helloooooo? Look who forgot their happy card! To be as blunt as possible, they're liars, hypocrites, and morons (but just that group and probably a couple other people :/ ). It's just freaking stupid. It's like a Christian kissing a poster of Satan. It's hypocritical and did I mention stupid?

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[lui]

What the heck guys? Sure, SOME Muslims did that, but that doesn't mean not ALL of them are 'evil terrorists'.

That's like saying all Germans are Nazis for crying out loud! Sure, it's pretty ironic, but it's no reason to throw a fit. Go freak out at a more dangerous religion, like Scientology, there is nothing wrong with Islam.

Seriously, with discriminating thoughts like these in our country, I'm not surprised lots of people would be mad at us.

[perceus500]

-.-'' I said some of them. I never said all of them were evil terrorists or suicide bombers. I know for a freaking fact that Islam is not a reckless or Satanic religion and I know that there's nothing wrong with it, so you can kiss it if you don't like the way I put it.

[Wildstar]

Aug 19, 2010 14:41:20 GMT -6 Riversky said:

Yes, I understand that a GROUP of Muslims killed thousands of Americans, but do you not see the hypocrisy in all of this? Let's take for example, the Catholic church! Now, I know that you're Catholic, Shadefrost. As is Acidfang. And guess what, I am too! So let's put ourselves in the position of the Muslims, shall we? What if there was going to be a Catholic church constructed next to a playground. And then, what if it sparked an outrage? After all, in just this year alone, thousands of little boys were raped by Catholic priests over in Europe, and our pope covered it up, too! Rape may not be LETHAL, but that does not mean it is any better than murder. How would we feel if SOME Catholics committed a great sin, and we ALL had to pay for it be being denied our right to worship? Yet we as Catholics are not discriminated against nor are we not allowed to build churches next to playgrounds.

They are not being denied their right to worship. There are plenty of mosques in NYC- I've seen them myself. But the fact is, this mosque is beign voted against by the majority of the people voting. Should we be denied our right to say no to something like this? We can say no to one gigantic mosque without it being prejudiced against Muslims, right?

Or shall we take Christians as a whole? Well, first let me remind you that a GROUP of Muslims was responsible for what happened on 9-11-01. A GROUP. And that GROUP does not represent the thoughts and feelings of ALL Muslims. Just SOME--not even half or most! To say that what that GROUP did DOES represent all Muslims, is to say that what the KKK (Ku Klux Klan) did/does represents ALL Christians. How would you liked to be tied to that, Shadeforst? How would YOU like to be associated with murdering and torturing black people, even more harshly than how the GROUP of Muslims killed the thousands of Americans? Would you enjoy that? Would you enjoy having black people fear you? Other races disgusted with you? Is that what you want? No, that's not what you want, so why do you do this to ALL Muslims?! Why do you beleive that the Burlington Coat Factory is hollowed holy ground?!

As said before, there are plenty of other mosques in NYC. It's not prejudiced to go with the desires of the people as a whole. Not letting them build one mosque isn't unconstitutional, no matter what they claim. Again, if the people voted for it then it wouldn't matter, but they didn't. They voted AGAINST it, and if the government builds it anyway... why, I'd consider THAT to be unconstitutional. The people run this country, not the government.



As for the rest of the post, just see the above two replies, lol. XD Too tired to keep typing the same thing.~ ^.^

There are two other mosques in NYC, as I stated already. That's not plenty, and there might be more in the suburbs, but as I mentioned, with all of the traffic and whatnot, I'm sure it takes AT LEAST an hour to get from Manhattan to the suburbs. =P

Also, I never said people can't say NO; I am simply stating why not allowing the Muslims to build their mosque is wrong. Is that so wrong? Can I not speak my mind? Geez! Enough with trying to squash the first amendment; I do have the right to speak, you know! ><

And also...a civil war is JUST as likely to break out if the mosque is not built, as there will be many angry American Muslims and Liberals. So =P

[Riversky]

Actually, getting out usually takes around thirty minutes unless there's a ton of traffic. I went there recently. ^.^

spiritstar: Again, asking them to show a little respect and build their mosque elsewhere isn't being predjudiced or discriminating. There are several buildings in and around NYC that could easily be turned into a mosque. They don't have to have this one place.


As for it being 'a whopping two blocks away' from Ground Zero... I think you guys could understand the wounds that tons of families in that area are still feeling. People's bodies and body parts were littered all over the ground that far away. Naturally they could show a bit more understanding as to why we don't want it there, instead of pulling that predjudice card over on us. ;p

[Heartpaw]

I am on afterlife and shadefrost's side we shall not let them build there mosque.

Why,does it really matter no shesh the order of the people come first no matter how much they may cry and weep we don't have to let them build there silly building(silly as in stupid.)it's not like they can't build it somewhere ELSE.

Now even though you wildstar think i am crazy and everything(even though you haven't just saying xd.)but bottom line the only reason that i don't want to is well they keep getting closer to the heart of america and i am scared evrything on my list points down to.

They may all be acting like there nice so they can destroy us(as in demoilsh,kill,blow-up,ec.)

So if you think about it from my point of view they are like trying to inject a virus in a computer by acting like you are going to get a million dollars.

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[Venomclaw]

Not civil war with guns, a Media War, sorry if that was unclear.

Aug 19, 2010 13:48:00 GMT -6 Wildstar said:

Let's take for example, the Catholic church! Now, I know that you're Catholic, Shadefrost. As is Acidfang. And guess what, I am too!

lolwut? When did that happen? xD

[Alex]

Fun Fact: In Muslim history whenever they had made a substantial victory against they're enimies they would build a Mosque on the site. Connect the dots?

Yes, I understand that a GROUP of Muslims killed thousands of Americans, but do you not see the hypocrisy in all of this? Let's take for example, the Catholic church! Now, I know that you're Catholic, Shadefrost. As is Acidfang. And guess what, I am too! So let's put ourselves in the position of the Muslims, shall we? What if there was going to be a Catholic church constructed next to a playground. And then, what if it sparked an outrage? After all, in just this year alone, thousands of little boys were raped by Catholic priests over in Europe, and our pope covered it up, too! Rape may not be LETHAL, but that does not mean it is any better than murder. How would we feel if SOME Catholics committed a great sin, and we ALL had to pay for it be being denied our right to worship? Yet we as Catholics are not discriminated against nor are we not allowed to build churches next to playgrounds.

Why are you defending another religon and not your own? That's just wrong... Anyway we are at war with muslim terrorists. Now think back to WWII when we were at war with Japan. No one trusted them and they locked them up in a camp. Now we are at war with Terrorism and Muslims are the majority of the religon of terrorists. I'm not saying we should lock them but I do think that we should express caution against them.

But Obama is funding this Mosque and is in full support of it. Now tell me: When has a president ever expressed intrest in a temple of a groups religon? I'll tell you when, NEVER. And strangely enough our president is apperantly a member of the "Church of Christ" yet he's endorsing another religon's temple, that we are at war with and that is unwanted by 60% of Americans.

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Firstly. Even if Obama is a member of the church of christ is he that much of an idiot to express intrest in a temple that is unwanted AND NOT TO MENTION the fact that rumors flew around that Barrack Obama is Muslim. Is he just being un smart about his public image? Or is he finally showing where his loyalty's lie? Coincidence? Unlikely. Whatever this Mosque is unpopular in the first place and Obama's aproval rating will free fall once again.

Anyway...contrary to what you beleive, they can't just build the mosque somewhere else. It's Manhattan. The streets are crowded and busy; the traffic jams are hard and heavy. It's the most populated city in America, and no doubt one of the most populated cities in the world! There are only two other mosques in New York City at the moment, and the Muslim population is relatively high. They can't call be crammed into two mosques; do you think that all the Catholics in NYC could fit into two churches? And they can't build it elsewhere, because there is not room just ANYWHERE in lower Manhattan, and why don they need one specifically in lower Manhattan? Well, back to it being crowded and traffic jams...the Muslim residents shouldn't have to drive hour(s) just to go to their place of worship. What if you had to drive hours just to go to church? That's a little ridiculous, and therefore, denying them their right to practive their religion.

REPUBLICAN NEW YORK FTW! Get your say in this! That is All.

I know that what happened on 9-11-01 was terribly sad to say the least; it shouldn't have happened, and the people behind it will have to spend some serious time in Purgatory with Hitler and all the other devious people who've lived in this world. But we shouldn't make all Muslims suffer and pay for their evil doings.

Hitler's in hell. I'm like positive on that. O.o He was to bad a dude.

Also if I was a Democrat I wouldn't be supporting this anyway. Polls already say Democrats will lose Congress while the Senate is still a toss up, come November. Wouldn't Obama want his party to stay realatively in control? So why is he showing support for something that is unwanted by Americans? It's not smart politically! Which is why the smart Democrats out there should protest against this mosque! I mean are they trying to lose their positions? Do they want "teh 3vil super l33t Republicans" to take over. Doubtful.

Now Wildstar I don't consider you dumb, but you do see the logic in that if you want your party to stay in control don't you?

~Alex

[raiderstrike]

I don't like it. We had a debate in my class about this and the majority said they didn't want it there. I agreed with that majority. It kills me inside that they think that they can but it there near ground zero. I had loved ones in the crash! How do you think the hundreds of others that lost their loved ones feel?

They should build else where. I wouldn't be able to stand it. It's like spitting in our faces. But there are always two sides to every story, and I don't even want to know what was going through the minds of those filth!