Graystipe vs. Brambleclaw

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Who is better: Graystripe or Brambleclaw?

I personally think Graystripe is better and he should have become leader.

Why?

Because when Brambleclaw found out about Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf, what did he do?

He just ignored Squirrelflight when she was just trying to protect Leafpool.

He also got mad when cats said he looked like Tigerstar.

Well, he does!

He always says

'I'm not like Tigerstar'

He sort of is.

He also wants to be all goody two shoes.

Where is his life crisis?

Oh his father was evil.

Big woop.

He wants everyone to feel sorry for him.

Graystripe's mate Silverstream tragiclly bled to death.

That's sad.

What do YOU think?

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I honestly didn't like Graystripe. It felt as if the Erins were trying too hard with him, and it just sorta fell flat. Sure, the beginning was nice, what with Firepaw and Graypaw getting to be best buddies, but then things went downhill. I found the whole thing with Silverstream to be annoying more than anything. Then there was the side story with Millie and Graystripe. In my opinion, the Erins should have left it at that - Graystripe gets taken away, never to be seen again. But alas, they had to create this improbable story about Firestar's best buddy miraculously finding him. .-.

Brambleclaw was more interesting, even though he's definitely not my favorite character. I don't remember a lot of what happened after the third series, but I liked the adventure that Brambleclaw went on to save the Clans. Sure, it was a bit too drawn-out, but it broke up the monotony of everyone else going "oh no we're all doomed, let's be depressing".

I don't love either character, but Graystripe does grate my nerves. Going with Brambleclaw here.

[Galaxy]

I agree with Drought. The whole Graystripe love thing just ruined his character. In my opinion, not everything ends happily ever after.

[Holly]

First thing, how is Brambleclaw a goody two shoes? He was treated terribly for most of his life due to the fact that his father was a terrible being. I love both characters equally and such, but I just dislike the way you stated Brambleclaw.

Don't get me wrong. Having your lover bleed to death after giving birth ain't no pot of sunshine, but considering character plotting and design wise, Brambleclaw is by far a better character.

Second, how does he want everybody to feel sorry for him? I honestly have seen no point at any of the books where he driving for greedy attention or in the middle of some self anguish because nobody cared enough about him and he had a hissyfit. Never happened.

On the side, understand this: Imagine having your wife have your own children that you loved dearly and that you thought were yours and then having your wife rip it away and say, "Oh, yeah. They aren't ours. They are my sisters' and your arch-nemesis' babies." Yeah, you would be pissed of to no end due to a relationship based on lies.

No, I'm not trying to be a mean jerk who thinks that their opinion rules over all, but I just thought I'd rant about it a litt bit considering a quality character in the book series got underrated.
No harm meant, =]

[Lightfall]

i agree with you all on brambleclaw. conflicted characters are so much more interesting, and that's what brambleclaw is. imagine knowing your father was this horrible criminal that moved away when you were a baby and never saw you again, and then everyone blamed you for being born, and acting like your father, even though you didn't. i think graystripe is more of a 'goody two shoes' besides the silver stream part. besides, no one was even angry at him.

and then the leaving his clan drama and coming back to his best friend. erin should have planned that out better. when graystripe was still little graypaw, i liked him. but now, not so much. it seems like nothing goes wrong in his life and everything is perfect, while that's the opposite for brambleclaw. i understand graystripe's mate died, and that's sad and all, but it seemed like he got over it too fast and took a new mate. that, i felt like, was betraying silverstream. brambleclaw has only had one mate in his life and was loyal and devoted to her, until she 'cheated' on him, which i can understand why he would be mad.

so yep. just my little rant.

[Cheetahfur]

Honestly, I have to go with Graystripe for this.
Why? Because Brambleclaw gets on my nerves. I feel like he's always acting so... I don't know how to explain it. I guess... dignified?
Also I feel like he tried to take on Deputy positions WAY before he was made deputy.
I also get the feeling he only started being so "GOOD" after cats started doubting Firestar's desicion to not appoint a deputy.
I don't mean to insult anyone.
Sorry if I did.

[Pumpkinseed]

Honestly? My one big issue with Brambleclaw becoming Bramblestar? Well, lets look at it this way, his father was Tigerstar, leader of ShadowClan, his step-father was Firestar, leader of ThunderClan, his wife is deputy and will one day become Squirrelstar leader of ThunderClan, it just feels like tyranny/dictatorship which the leader system really is once you think about it.

And its not just this family, think about it, Its exactly the same with RiverClan and MistyStar she elects her son to DEPUTY for Gods sake, and even if you take a look at the super editions set before series #1 and the leaders in those books and make a big family tree its still just one or two familys per clan.