This is Gonna Get Edgy but Gay Rights

[Gracklepaw]

Again, why would God not want gays to wed if he is the one who "created" us/them in the first place?
Makes no sense.

-Jeune

[Featherpaw]

It is totally fine to be gay, I mean I'm GOING to a gay wedding I think its cute. HECK! Even Call me maybe by Carly Rae Jespen is about a gay man (I think, not sure) I STILL think thats cute. SCOURGE and ASHFUR should be a couple, even THATS cute.

[naturekit]

Well....like I said, God made us, yes. BUT he said that He wanted a MAN and WOMAN to be together and repopulate the Earth. Not a woman and woman or man and man. Being gay or lesbian is a CHOICE. God never made us that way. He didn't want it like that. But hey, don't take it from me. If you want to hear from a VERY reliable resource, go to questions.org. It will answer any questions you have about God or the Bible.

[Forestbreak]

Ffff.

Naturewind, I respect your beliefs, but speaking as an atheist bisexual girl, being gay/lesbian/bisexual/pansexual/etc. is not a choice. I didn't wake up one day and think, "Hey, I think I'll also date women!" Countless people commit suicide each year because of the pressure put on them about their sexual orientation. Did they choose this to be the reason for their deaths? Of course not. Hell, if we got the choice to be gay or straight, we'd probably all be heterosexual! My belief is that one's sexuality is rooted into their genes from the day they're born- that it's biological. And, as a side note, I've read the Bible, although I am atheist, so I'm not preaching to you with no idea what I'm talking about.

My point is, I'd turn straight in an instant if I could. Being gay isn't malleable.

Anyway, the Earth is overpopulated already.

[Quickfox]

Naturewind, I'll just point out, that in your second to last post you quoted something from the bible. But, guess what? That may not be our religion, so it's not what we follow. Different religions, not just one. Not just Christianity or whatever. Like I previously said, over a month ago it appears, I'm not a follower over much of any religion, but if sorted, I would fall under atheism. Which concludes, I do not go off the Bible. Which may say a woman and a man are to love to repopulate, but, that's not plain love! Love is. . who you are happy with. Whether the relationship is Homosexual or Heterosexual. What the hell does it matter? It's not your religion we are after, when a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman, it's to be happy, not saying, screw the Bible, and screw God and such.

Also, agreeing with Forestbreak here. Being gay/lesbian/bisexual/whatever else is a choice? Ohmygod. Yeah, cause I made it a choice to go ahead and put myself in a position that would probably get my family to stop speaking to me if they knew. Love that, so, so much.

But, disagreeing with Forest where she said she'd rather be straight. Cause, you know what? I'm happy with who I've come out to be, with my religion and sexuality. And why shouldn't I be?

[Forestbreak]

I'm not saying I'm not accepting who I am, Moi. It's simply that I'm terrified of admitting it.

[Arrowstone]

Well, that's not what I meant by a 'choice'. And i'm not trying to force any religion on anyone. No. I'm just trying to give you a better resource if you don't believe me. And Forestbreak, I'm sorry if I sent the wrong message across. I'll try to explain better this time. Okay, I got what they said from the website I mentioned. I'm not going to type EVERYTHING, since it's pretty long. I'm going to take parts of it that would occur to you even if you're not a Christian or don't have religion.
"There is an element of sinfulness that enters into every thought and desire, a sinfulness that is rooted in the fall. (when Adam and Eve sinned) In a sense, no human desire is untainted by sin. Because an evil element intrudes into every human interaction and relationship, it's impossible for humans to achieve absolute purity. (sinlessness)
"....Like all animals, humans are physical beings with instinctual sexual/mating desires 'hardwired' into us. Because of our instinctual mating desires, it is normal for people to suppress.....thoughts and feelings towards attractive people of the opposite sex. This is natural.
"The Bible makes it clear that although temptation is the result of sin in the sense of it being an aspect in our fallen world, mere temptation isn't something God holds us accountable for. (Satan - the Devil - tempts us.) Even Jesus Christ experienced temptation. (that says something there to Christians. He was sinless throughout His whole life and He was tempted. So being tempted isn't a sin, it's to accept temptation that makes that particular thing a sin.)
".......The willful cultivation of wrongly sexualized thoughts arouses further destructive sexual feelings that wreck havoc in a person's spiritual, emotional and relational life. (doesn't that somehow connect to you, forestbreak?) Sinful responses to instinctive sexual desires increase the power of temptation...."
Well, that's what it said. And Forestbreak, isn't it funny how that last paragraph connected to how you feel about being homo? Just remember that I'm not forcing you to believe anything or anyone I believe in. To believe is your own choice. But like I said, I don't bully homos or harm them in anyway.

[Forestbreak]

Homosexuality is not the same as bisexuality. ^.^ Bisexuality is being attracted towards both men and women. Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex only. That aside...

Let me just see if I understand what you're trying to say- that, technically, being homosexual/bisexual/pansexual is not a sin, but acting upon homosexual desires is. Correct me if I'm wrong there. But anyway, I wouldn't call my feelings 'destructive.' Second of all, you're saying that it's 'allowed' for me to be bisexual, but if I met a girl I love and care for, just like I assume you might feel for 'the one,' who'd, I assume, be male, I couldn't express that? That I should be stuck in a void of suppressing everything I might feel for a female? That I should be essentially sentenced to a lifestyle of giving only half the love I'm capable of?

I don't want that, just like you wouldn't want to be told, "Hey, you. It's bad to show romantic love. Stop."

[Snowfeather]

Honestly , just because God wanted a man and a women to be together , doesn't mean it's law. Now , I am Roman Catholic , or whatever , but I strongly disagree that loving a member of the same sex and 'giving into temptations' is a sin. People should love who that want to love , be with who they want to be with. Rather then suffering while being with someone they have no feelings for.

I agree with Birdy and Moi. Even I was pressured about my sexual orientation. Not by others , but by myself. Not saying that I wanted to commit suicide , but saying that I was unsure of myself , and feeling towards others. One of my close friend was bisexual , I never hated her for it. I didn't think it was a sin. But being at my school , everyone always talked about her.

To sum it all up , being gay/ bisexual/ pansexual/ ect. is okay. If God 'created' us , then he must have put those genes in there. - Refrecing Birdy's post - So if you truely believe God created us , he didn't want everyone to be with a member of the opposite sex , he wanted us to live how we want. Love who we want.

I'm not the best debater , and quite frankly , I find I'm no good at it. I just wanted to say this.

[naturekit]

Forestbreak, I have to correct you a bit. If you ARE a homo or whatever is giving into temptation (sinning). Because, once again, it says a man and woman should be together. I know I've said that like a million times, but it's true. Now, remember, I'm NOT telling anyone who or what they should believe in. I'm just stating what I believe. But Snowfeather, have you read Genesis? If you have, then you know what God's Word says. And, being homo or whatever isn't genetics. It's one of the results of giving into temptation and disobeying the Lord.

[Emberstorm]

I like to argue the bible says to love all XD. I think it said like in Exodus or something. It said to love and respect all so in a way the bible which is part of my religion, can contradict.

[Forestbreak]

That's even worse, Naturewind. If simply being bisexual is giving in to temptation, then I've done so already. I cannot just switch sexualities.

As a side note to anyone who wants to hear it, some people believe that homosexuality was biologically 'designed' by nature to control population- there were no confirmed cases before 1973. I think it's a cool idea. :3

[naturekit]

Well, first I'll argue with Emberstorm. Yes, I agree with you when the bible says love all. But that doesn't mean love them like bf and gf or whatever. It means love all like friends. Love your enemies like they are your friends. That's what it means.
Forestbreak, on to you. You have to remember Nature (now I mean ACTUAL nature) didn't create anything. God created everything in and on the world then and today. I know you can't just switch over like that. But, you can ask for forgiveness. God forgives everyone simply because he loves them. It doesn't matter how bad a thing you did, from taking chocolate from a candy store or murdering someone. He will forgive. Even if you're not a Christian, He loves you. He created you. Even if you don't believe a word I'm saying about God, you can still ask for forgiveness. And I know once (or if) you do, things will change.

[Forestbreak]

I don't want to have to be forgiven for something I don't regret.

And that is all.

-leaves thread-

[naturekit]

I know she won't know what I said, but I know she'll be forgiven if she asks. And if even if she doesn't regret it, it's still a sin. It doesn't matter if you regret it or not. If you disobey the Lord, you have sinned. I will stay on this thread for anymore more questions/arguments about this or God or the Bible.